do you really want to slash transportation, education, r&d? you don't have the courage to go after the entitlement programs. and i say this, as you know, to my republican party as well as to your democratic party -- >> yeah, no, as frightening as this whole mustache thing was, sitting in the green room and listening to you and agreeing with you so wholeheartedly -- >> disturbed you, didn't it. >> what we can't do is eat our seed corn. >> right. >> education, research and development and energy. these are things that are central to our ability to grow the economy, to prepare people for the economy. >> it's such a small part of the budget. >> i understand. but you see, here's what's going on. there are two kinds of approaches to this. the one approach says we've got this deficit problem, and we want to address it. the other is the norquist approach, which is really more about reducing government to its irreducible core. and that is an indiscriminate sort of slashing. that's the wrong path for the country. and that's the path we can't take. >> th